In this episode I am joined by Howard Jones ( Devil You Know). We discuss bargain bin records, their experiences with Roadrunner, signing with Nuclear Blast, phoning in lyrics, touring with Killswitch Engage, dealing with fame, depression, going into complete isolation, overcoming mental illness, how he left Killswitch Engage, the Devil You Know, sobriety, MMA, how his comparison to Jesse Leach is equivalent to Roth vs Hagar debate of metalcore, Ronnie Radke, Tim Lambesis, the lyric police, Dani Filth, Jason Newsted, and touring Lorenzo Antonucci.